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LeeBe · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:47 pm Post subject: P2P

Dunno how many of you use p2p software but I found a list of ip's of surveilence (sp?) companys.

Aparently emule can block these, I dunno about any other p2p software.

http://homepage.swissonline.ch/exception/public/ipfilter.dat

roba · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:22 pm Post subject:

All those companies are monitoring P2P networks? Shocked

Should I block all of them on my firewall?

LeeBe · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:04 pm Post subject:

Thats what I was thinking Confused

Suppose it couldnt hurt to block them. Who knows what else theyre monitoring Confused

LeeBe · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:36 pm Post subject:

1,[04/Mar/2003 21:59:09] Rule 'RFC 3330 Public-Data Networks (X25 stuff)': Blocked: In TCP, 12.231.179.99:55750->localhost:6354,
1,[04/Mar/2003 21:59:10] Rule 'RFC 3330 Public-Data Networks (X25 stuff)': Blocked: In TCP, 12-231-179-99.client.attbi.com [12.231.179.99:55750]->localhost:6354,
1,[04/Mar/2003 21:59:14] Rule 'RFC 3330 Public-Data Networks (X25 stuff)': Blocked: In TCP, 12-231-179-99.client.attbi.com [12.231.179.99:55750]->localhost:6354,
1,[04/Mar/2003 21:59:18] Rule 'RFC 3330 Public-Data Networks (X25 stuff)': Blocked: In TCP, 12-231-179-99.client.attbi.com [12.231.179.99:55750]->localhost:6354,
1,[04/Mar/2003 21:59:30] Rule 'RFC 3330 Public-Data Networks (X25 stuff)': Blocked: In TCP, 12-231-179-99.client.attbi.com [12.231.179.99:55750]->localhost:6354,
1,[04/Mar/2003 21:59:52] Rule 'RFC 3330 Public-Data Networks (X25 stuff)': Blocked: In TCP, 12-231-179-99.client.attbi.com [12.231.179.99:55750]->localhost:6354,
1,[04/Mar/2003 22:11:15] Rule 'Internet Assigned Numbers Authority': Blocked: In TCP, 64.231.50.164:3975->localhost:6354, Owner: no owner
1,[04/Mar/2003 22:11:18] Rule 'Internet Assigned Numbers Authority': Blocked: In TCP, HSE-Toronto-ppp299834.sympatico.ca [64.231.50.164:3975]->localhost:6354,
1,[04/Mar/2003 22:11:24] Rule 'Internet Assigned Numbers Authority': Blocked: In TCP, HSE-Toronto-ppp299834.sympatico.ca [64.231.50.164:3975]->localhost:6354,

Theres a ton of these in my firewall log Confused

roba · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 10:30 am Post subject:

You blocked those RFC reserved IP ranges too? And IANA? I blocked only companies from that list, coz I dunno exactly what those non-company ranges are...

LeeBe · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 11:47 am Post subject:

I dont know what they are either Confused

but they seems to be trying to connect to my ip so im blocking them.

btw I realise this thread is in the wrong place. can someone move it to general please. we might get a better idea what to do if someone knows what exactly those others (RFC, IANA) do.

Zed · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 6:40 pm Post subject:

<> moved

Shaman · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject:

u can read bout some of it here

Shaman · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:58 pm Post subject:

seems there is a new stratagey with p2p...
instead of going after the networks nice napster... they r going after individualss... it takes years to close down somit like napster, by time they it finaly closed a dozen new networks poped up.... it was impossable to keep up with.... the thinkning now seems to b .. .get some individuals , publizise it and scare ppl off 2p2 .. much easier than closing them down..... i belive there has also bin a ruling in belgium i think, that basic ly absolved kazza of any responsability 4 what its users do ... esentually shifting blame onto the users ... i think we r about to c the start of a crackdown

Shaman · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 10:51 pm Post subject:

oops im used to forums where clickable links r bannned

Grim · Post more Noob Joined: 05 Sep 2002 Posts: 13

Hey all,

I was thinking about this and it strikes me that there are some problems for these surveillence companys (SC):

1) They see you (Z - no relation to {OCA}Zed!) download file X from P2P server Y

Q: How do thay know what file X is? It might be called "Reason" but that doesn't mean it's Mel C's latest crooning.

OK, so the SC download X from Y (did they just break the law?) and confirm that X is Mel C's latest. How do they know that X is not Z's backup and he's accessing it from Z's other PC somewhere? How do they know who put that file there? Who has access to that PC? From where?

... etc

Also, they prosecute Z and spend shed loads of money on proving the many combinations of the above. That's 1 user out of millions. If it took years to close Napster, how long would it take to take millions of users through the courts? Doesn't sound like it would fly to me.

IPSec tunnels to a distributed network of servers (performance based / random selection) would stop local ISP's snooping. Of course these could be in any country in the world with whatever laws are enforced there.

Interesting info. Thx.

roba · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 2:59 pm Post subject:

I think their strategy is to make ppl feel that P2P sharing is dangerous for them and they could have big probs... they will find several ppl sharing a lot of pirated music, make big media case form it, like "see what can happen to you if you share piratedsongs! Like this guy you can go to jail!" I think they need only few cases and media will do their work, ppl will be scared to share..., or at least some of them....

BTW they can't see you downloading some file from some user, but they see your files, which you are offering for share. And thats illegal, even if you have legal copy of shared song. YOu can have backup, but you cant share.